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AndCo contacted CS McKee (core fixed income), Lazard (international equity), Loomis Sayles (small cap
and fixed income), and T. Rowe Price (large cap equity) to enlist their thoughts on the current state of the
markets. We posed five questions to each manager; their responses are provided below. Lazard and T.
Rowe Price included charts and graphs with their responses; we have also sent their responses for you to
review. We have also sent the manager’s individual responses that include graphs and charts. Please feel
free to contact us with any additional questions or comments (248.390.0589). Thanks for your continued
support.
1. What are your expectations for the US and global economies? How bad is the recession (2
quarters, 3 quarters, or longer)? What does the rebound look like?
CS McKee: The difficulties in forecasting the length or depth of this recession center around the
uncertainty of the virus’ path. What is the optimal time for social distancing to remain in effect? Will
there be a second wave of the virus? When will a vaccine be available? Is the US and other
countries developing herd immunity? How much more stimulus will governments continue to
provide? What will be the second-order effects from missed payments, bankruptcies, and high
unemployment? While these are the key questions that everyone is asking and no one has any
confident answers currently, we expect that the recession and recovery will likely be “U” shaped,
i.e. there will be a sharp contraction as the economy is shutdown, followed by a period of stagnation
at low activity levels while we learn about the virus, and then finally a fairly strong recovery as
economies reopen. Stimulus in the US has been large and swift – but mainly replaces lost income
– and regions around the world have responded in varying degrees as well. The actions by
governments to prop up their economies while enacting social distancing measures will alleviate
some of the downturn’s pain.
As of now, we appear to be entering the second stage of the crisis as our leaders debate how and
when to reopen the economy. If economies are opened too quickly and too fully, the risk of a
second peak of infections runs high; reopening the economy too slowly results in further strains on
individuals, businesses, and government budgets. A balanced approach that minimizes the
reoccurrence of the virus and allows a phased reopening of the economy appears the most likely
and optimal outcome at this time.
Ultimately, the strength of the recovery will be dependent on robust testing and the development of
a vaccine or other therapeutic drugs. Testing will provide much needed data on antibody presence
in individuals and a greater understanding of the virus’ true spread rate and death rate. A vaccine,
which is likely a minimum of 12 months away, would prove to be the single largest boost to
confidence that would remove a great portion of today’s elevated uncertainty.
Now that we’ve exhausted the list of caveats, we are currently operating under the assumption
domestic economic activity will fall 20% to 25% in the second quarter, followed by a rebound of 4%
to 6% in the third and fourth quarters. Full year growth for 2021 should average 4% to 5%. Global
To: Oakland County Employees’ Retirement System
From: Peter Brown and Chris Kuhn
Date: April 27, 2020
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growth contracts between 2% and 3.5% this year, returning to 3% growth next year. Domestic
consumer discretionary spending will gradually improve as restrictions are lifted, people return to
work and savings begin to be replenished. Business confidence will follow the same gradual
path. Embedded in these forecasts are the assumptions that improvements in therapeutic
treatments and that second and third waves of the virus that do not overwhelm the global healthcare
system to a greater degree than currently witnessed. We also assume an orderly processing of
the surge in personal and corporate bankruptcy filings that are likely occur over the balance of this
year.
Lazard: In the short-to-medium-term, the progress and policy reaction to COVID-19 will likely be
the main driver of the performance of international equities, just as it is expected to with every other
asset class. So far, policymakers have been aggressive with both monetary and fiscal initiatives,
which could benefit value cyclicals in the long run. While it is tempting to compare the current crisis
to the last one, they are quite different. Central banks were ultimately able to control the global
financial crisis by pumping massive amounts of liquidity into the system. COVID-19 is not a financial
crisis, but rather a profound, sudden demand shock the likes of which the world has never seen, in
which millions of people are losing their jobs and millions more are at home, rather than out
spending money. While keeping liquidity flowing is necessary, we do not believe it is not enough.
Policymakers must also make up for the missing demand in the economy and keep out-of-work
people as financially sound as possible to avoid a feedback loop that leads into a prolonged
recession when the threat of the novel coronavirus passes.
If policymakers successfully bridge the demand gap, it is possible that the global economy can
recover relatively quickly once the spread of the virus is under control. Markets are waiting eagerly
for a treatment, a vaccine, or simply news that the rate of new infections seems to be slowing in a
hard-hit country. Any new developments on this front are likely to continue to drive price
movements.
Loomis: We believe financial markets are currently in the eye of the hurricane. Global financial
markets experienced significant disruptions in March, as the emergence of the coronavirus brought
an end to the longest US economic expansion on record. The reaction of policy authorities was
unprecedented in both timing and magnitude. The world’s central banks moved immediately to
provide liquidity which have calmed volatile markets over the past several weeks. The US Federal
Reserve (Fed) cut short-term interest rates to zero, expanded its lending facilities and announced
an asset-purchase program that encompassed Treasuries, mortgage-backed securities, municipal
bonds and corporate issues. In addition, the US government passed a $2 trillion fiscal stimulus
package in late March (the CARES Act). The response was similar overseas, with a combination
of accelerated interest rate cuts and a wide range of fiscal measures designed to support growth.
While our GDP forecasts are incredibly uncertain given the highly fluid situation, we believe global
growth will be deeply impacted in the second quarter of 2020. We anticipate a ‘U’ shaped recovery
given the significant impact Covid-19 has had on the services sector, which makes up 70% of global
GDP. Normalization of economic activity will be staggered across the US and the world creating a
protracted recovery, rather than a quick V-shaped snap back to normal.
However, we believe GDP starts to recover by late third quarter. Our 2020 GDP forecasts for major
economies is: United States (-5.5%), Euro area (-5%) and China (-1%). The recession, we expect
will last at least two quarters and potentially longer if we get a resurgence in virus infections in the
summer or fall of this year. That said, we expect a strong recovery in 2021.
TRP: We expect the recession to last 2 quarters. Relaxation of social distancing measures are
likely to come in 3Q20, which will mean that economic activity increases, and we will see a positive
GDP print for the 3rd quarter. However, it is important to note that given the depth of the initial
pullback and the expectation that the path back to normal activity will be gradual, we do not expect
a recovery to the previous level of GDP in 2020. We may not return to the prior level until 4-8
quarters after the crisis began.
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We are encouraged by the relative lack of structural imbalances in the U.S. economy going into the
crisis (i.e. low levels of consumer debt, modest growth in business capex), as well as the fiscal and
monetary stimulus measures that have been quickly put into place. If relaxation of social distancing
does not result in a sharp uptick in the spread of the virus, we believe the stimulus measures will
allow most businesses to remain solvent (i.e. a “solvency bridge” has been erected) and therefore
the much of the spike seen in unemployment will be temporary. As a result, we do expect the
shape of the economic recovery to be more V-shaped than U-shaped.
2. What are your expectations for the equity markets? Have the equity markets fully priced in
the economic damage? What is your outlook for future earnings?
CS McKee: We believe the equity markets (specifically the S&P500) are fairly-to-fully valued in the
short-term at current levels. Currently in the 2,850 area, the S&P 500 should hit resistance in the
2,885 to 2,930 range, which should cap the upside for the next month or so. This assumes no
breakthroughs with respect to a vaccine or effective therapeutic for COVID-19. The latest revenue
and earnings reports, coupled with the frequent removal of forward guidance, led us to revise our
outlook for 2020 earnings to a range of $105 - $115, with an expected rebound to $155 - $165 next
year. Our mid-year 2021 outlook for the S&P 500 is 3,280-3,360, which assumes earnings levels
near the top end of our expected range for next year ($160) and a P/E multiple of 20.5x to 21x.
Lazard: Going forward, we expect numerous material negative earnings revisions, particularly in
cyclical areas (Exhibit 1). The longer term outlook for earnings is uncertain and will be dependent
on the duration of the virus. The performance differential between value and growth stocks has
been a headwind to our relative value investment philosophy, in which we invest in companies with
an attractive tradeoff between financial productivity and valuation. Yet, despite this headwind,
relative performance was broadly in line with the MSCI ACWI ex-USA benchmark. However, we
believe the widening gap between the two styles is creating long-term relative value opportunities
in both defensive and cyclical value stocks, while reducing opportunities in tech and other
expensive cyclicals that have held up relatively well.
While central bankers and governments are doing everything they can to ensure liquidity, we still
feel that highly levered companies are risky in an environment that has investors seeking safety at
all costs.
Loomis: (Macro View) Often times you hear the phrase “the stock market is not the economy” and
that is proving true. We expect volatility to remain elevated as the downturn runs its course. As of
today, April 27th, we believe US equities are priced for a certain level of re-opening that will improve
the current operating conditions. At the lows roughly one month ago, the market was pricing a dire
economic outlook. We currently believe markets are looking ahead and focusing on a re-opening
of the economy and normalized profits in 2021. S&P 500 corporate profits are likely to decline by
33% in 2020, but a 40% rebound is anticipated next year. Similar to the economy, we anticipate 6
or more quarters to pass before S&P 500 earnings reclaim their peak in US dollar terms.
(SCG Team) The severe sell off, especially in small cap stocks, and subsequent rebound have all
preceded any kind of feedback from companies. This is to be expected, but can also lead to further
volatility as investors get more information on how to set expectations around earnings. We would
not be surprised to see some of the recent gains off the bottom to be consolidated. We will continue
to use the market volatility as an opportunity to buy dynamic secular growth companies that can
navigate the macro uncertainty and be capital compounders for many years into the future.
TRP: Both the speed of the downturn and subsequent rally have been unprecedented. We think
it is wise to question the durability of current market levels, given the uncertainty surrounding the
path forward. The peak in daily incremental virus cases combined with improved liquidity were the
big catalysts for improvement. For the rally to hold from here, we need the “solvency bridge” to
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stay intact and successful relaxation of social distancing. Hopefully that is how this plays out, but
there will be a lot of potential pitfalls along the way.
We expect future earnings to be significantly impaired, given the depth of the downturn. Projections
are difficult to make at this point, due to the uncertainty surrounding the re-opening process. How
long does it take to get to the “new normal”? Do we have any setbacks along the way? What level
of activity does the “new normal” represent? Our best estimate amid this level of uncertainty is that
S&P 500 earnings fall by 20-40% for calendar year 2020 relative to calendar year 2019.
3. What are your expectations for the fixed income markets? When do we expect rates to
rise? Or will they fall further? How quickly will spreads compress? Is future inflation a
concern of yours?
CS McKee: We expect the Fed to be patient with respect to the Funds rate, leaving the current
target of 0% to 0.25% in place for the balance of this year. Doing so will lead to a steepening of
the yield curve, most notably in the 5-year area. We continue to see value in agency, credit and
TIPS holdings, overweighting agencies by 20% or more in intermediate and longer
portfolios. Credit and TIPS currently represent overweightings of between 8% to 12%. We expect
investment grade corporate spreads, which peaked at 373 basis points in March and currently
average 208 basis points, to tighten to the +175 area by year end. The breakeven rates on 5-year
and 10-year TIPS are currently 0.7% and 1.10%, respectively, and should widen another 25 basis
points over the next 4 to 6 months. We do not believe future inflation is of great concern. Attaining
and sustaining an inflation rate above 2% is unlikely in the long run.
Lazard: In the past month and a half, some 30 central banks have slashed policy rates, and our
experts anticipate that developed market rates will stay anchored near the zero bound for the
foreseeable future. Justifiably jittery investors have piled into sovereign bonds even at
extraordinarily low rates. As a consequence of this flight to safety and the need or desire to raise
cash, spreads on high quality short-duration and floating rate debt, sheltered to some extent against
macro volatility, have risen significantly. As sentiment recovers, our professionals expect these and
other high quality corporate spreads to tighten again. Some of Lazard’s fixed income strategists
took advantage of similar circumstances in the wake of the global financial crisis, abandoning
Treasuries entirely in favor of high-quality corporate issuance, and portfolios benefited from credit-
spread tightening over several years as the economy regained its footing. Overall inflation as
measured by PCE and CPI should remain muted. Although the pandemic-related fiscal and
monetary programs have increased debt levels, this debt is unproductive debt from a growth
perspective. This is also true of the debt that had been accumulated before the pandemic. Also,
the output gap should remain wide, with economies running below potential, which should also be
disinflationary, if not deflationary. Our analysts cautioned, however, that the strategy calls for active
management on an issue-by-issue basis to determine whether obligors have strong balance
sheets, access to the capital markets, and whether the issue itself has long-only institutional market
sponsorship and standard lending terms and conditions in its indenture1.
Loomis: For the remainder of 2020, US Treasury rates are expected to be range bound with the
Fed on hold at zero and aggressively engaged in providing liquidity via multiple purchasing facilities
across market sectors. We expect intermediate and longer duration Treasury rates to begin to
move moderately higher in 2021.
Heightened uncertainty and extreme market volatility caused investment Grade (IG) and high yield
(HY) corporate spreads to widen significantly. IG corporate spreads widened over 200 basis points
(bps) from ~100 to 370 bps in the month of March. HY spreads widened over 750 bps. However,
valuations have come back sharply in both markets. Spreads are currently at levels that our team
considers fair, given where we are in the market cycle and our risk premium models. The
investment team believes that some caution is warranted here given the sharp rally in risk markets
especially since we may not have seen the full extent of economic damage.
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COVID-19 will have a negative effect on prices in the near-term given lower demand. We could see
price pressure rebound later in the year into 2021, especially if demand comes back more quickly
than supply. Despite a deal to cut production, oil prices have collapsed due to COVID-19 related
demand issues, we expect prices to begin to normalize around $40 later in 2020 into early 2021.
TRP: We think it’s very unlikely that rates will rise over the near term. Given the depth of the
economic slowdown, the Fed is unlikely to raise interest rates soon. With the Fed “out of bullets”
from a rate-cutting standpoint, the Fed is now focused on providing alternative means to support
the economy and market liquidity. The rise in debt issuance by the U.S. government in response
to the crisis may eventually put upward pressure on rates—but this factor is likely to be
overwhelmed by deflationary forces, economic weakness, and a demand for “safe” assets over the
near term.
Inflation could become a concern if it turns out that we have “over-stimulated”, which would occur
if the virus is contained much more quickly than expected. We view this as very unlikely. Over the
longer-term, we think most of the factors that have contributed to low inflation will remain in place.
Automation and disruption are likely to accelerate. Commodity prices will rebound from current
levels (which are extremely low), but we expect the longer downward trend to continue after this
initial bounce. Globalization, however, is the one factor that we could see reverse – but we do not
expect this reversal to be strong enough to offset the other factors.
The timing of credit spread normalization is difficult to predict. Like earnings, this is likely to hinge
on the timing and success of the re-opening process. A long process with multiple setbacks would
mean more bankruptcies and further bouts of spread widening. However, we do believe spreads
have moved to levels that will prove to be attractive for investors with a long-term horizon.
4. What are the biggest risks for investors? What are the best opportunities in the markets?
CS McKee: The largest risks we see for investors begins with a resurgence or mutation in COVID-
19. Should the economy resume growth, only to be interrupted by more than just flare-ups of the
virus, would strain global governments’ ability to sustain growth and income and impart greater
damage to business and consumer confidence. Fundamental valuations on risk securities would
suffer, exacerbated by declining market liquidity and spiking volatility.
On a brighter note, we believe the domestic credit market to be attractive at current
valuations. Despite the rapid improvement in yield spreads, hedged U.S. dollar securities trade at
a discount to European and Asian market securities, inviting increased sponsorship from overseas
investors. Looking several years forward, emerging market equity performance should outpace
that of domestic entities, though with greater volatility.
Lazard: Specifically, as it relates to the Lazard International Strategic Equity (ACW ex-US) that
we manage for Oakland County Employees’ Retirement System, the portfolio team has
concentrated first on adjusting exposure to aviation and to weaker balance sheets, and then on
taking advantage of what they view as significant opportunities thrown up by the market falls.
Broadly, the team sees three types of idea emerging.
a. The first is in resilient businesses, including some utilities, caught up in the general market
downdraft.
b. The second is in high-quality companies with strong returns and market positions, but which
are seeing a sharp short-term impact from this crisis. These may be related to aviation, but also
to consumer spending more broadly, and to commercial services.
c. The final category is in more traditional ‘value’ categories such as autos, energy and financials,
whose valuation dispersion from growth companies has become even more stretched in the
sell-off. These stocks will be more dependent on the shape and strength of the economic
rebound.
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Loomis: We believe a deepening or resurgence of the Covid-19 crisis is one of the largest risks
which would lead to further economic contraction, higher unemployment and significant downward
pressure on asset prices.
Both IG and HY corporates have moved further along in the credit cycle from the expansion phase
into downturn. Outlooks for margins and corporate leverage have worsened as prospects for
growth have declined and we are expecting losses from credit migration to rise with increases to
downgrades and defaults. Aggressive fiscal and monetary stimulus have helped limit the damage
but the future credit trajectory will depend on the timing and speed of the economic recovery after
the virus is deemed sufficiently under control.
We believe the current spread widening presents a very attractive long-term investment
opportunity. We have been taking advantage of price volatility and providing capital to an illiquid
market. We are focusing on issuers with strong balance sheets, adequate liquidity, and leaning on
our invaluable credit research analysts to pick the right bonds, right issuers, and sticking with our
foundational investment tenets during this volatile time.
The new issue market has been very robust as companies are issuing debt to raise their cash
balances due to the uncertainty surrounding the length and magnitude of the economic shut down.
The majority of companies issuing debt have been “blue chip” high quality names from very diverse
industries. We have been able to participate in dozens of new issues at very attractive levels.
As we enter the recession, we will see additional stress on investment grade corporates and may
see many more names downgraded to below IG. We have already witnessed numerous
downgrades from IG to HY and we are expecting more in the coming months. Although we may
see names currently held in the portfolio downgraded, we also see fallen angels as a potential
buying opportunity. Historically, fallen angels have represented great value opportunities. The
downgraded bond spread tends to widen significantly due to forced sellers once a name falls out
of the index, and they usually don’t stay at those levels for long. ABS markets are also looking
more attractive and new issues have just started to come back to market. Announcement of
the TALF 2.0 program has provided support to this sector. Similarly, CMBS markets look more
attractive here as well. The first CMBS conduit deal will be coming to market this week.
TRP: We think the biggest risk for investors from an asset allocation standpoint is a lack of
diversification. We believe a recovery is coming, but the timing remains very uncertain. When
markets become convinced that there is a clear path to recovery, we believe the hardest hit areas
of market will rebound the strongest—likely led by small cap equities, value equities, and high yield
debt. However, these are also the areas that will be most at risk if we experience setbacks to
normalization. As a result, we think it is wise to have exposure to these areas but not hold
significant overweights.
5. Would the government have been better off temporarily enhancing unemployment benefits
than creating business loan programs? Explain.
CS McKee: In our view, the creation of business loan programs and the enhancement
unemployment benefits were two complementary actions that are necessary to support the
economy through virus containment measures. By providing loans to businesses – primarily
through the SBA’s $670bn Paycheck Protection Program – the Federal government strives to
ensure that the small businesses who employ roughly 47% of the US population will still be around
once the economy reopens. Assisting businesses to maintain their payrolls and help meet monthly
expenses (loans are forgivable if used to retain workforce at current compensation and pay
mortgage, rent, and utilities, but 75% of loan must be for payroll) will also keep many workers off
of state run unemployment insurance programs. Many states are constrained by balanced budget
legislation and a growing population of unemployed would severely strain the state’s finances.
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While many small businesses will still fail during this time and workers will be let go, the enhanced
unemployment compensation plus additional stimulus checks to certain households will help
individuals bridge the gap while the economy remains shut. Together, both programs look to
support businesses so that there are jobs still available once the economy reopens and that
individuals can meet their liquidity needs if they are out of work. Maintaining liquidity for businesses
and individuals will help to prevent further knock-on effects of missed payments and bankruptcy.
Lazard: The current situation is unprecedented. The US and global economies have entered a
very sharp, very deep recession that is the result of deliberate policy to shut down the economy.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that US real GDP will contract by an annualized
39.6% in 2Q 2020 and that the unemployment rate will average 16% in 3Q 2020.
Much is uncertain about these and other forecasts: How will COVID-19 behave? Will policymakers
be able to relax physical distancing policies without a resurgence? How much will they be able to
relax, and for what activities? What will be the lasting impacts on public psychology and different
parts of the economy? The shape of the recovery from the current recession will depend on the
answers to these questions, as well as economic policy support: first, to provide relief while
policymakers shut down the economy; and then to stimulate activity when it is safe to do so.
We believe policymakers were right to both enhance unemployment benefits and create business
loan programs in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act enacted on 27
March 2020. There are valid concerns that two may work at cross purposes in some instances:
extending forgivable loans to small businesses to incentivize their keeping employees on payroll
while also making unemployment more attractive. We believe these concerns are overwhelmed by
the need to rapidly ease financial distress and to ensure that businesses make it through this very
difficult period and are able to contribute to the eventual recovery – particularly small businesses
that can be financially vulnerable and account for ~50% of total employment.
Looking ahead, we believe it is positive that the Small Business Administration’s Paycheck
Protection Program was replenished after being exhausted, with another $321 billion in the
Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act enacted on 24 April 2020. There
have been concerns with the program’s execution and oversight. We hope that measures like those
included in the new Act help ensure that more of the forgivable loans reach businesses with less
access to the banking system. We also believe that more funding for states and local governments
and for enhanced unemployment benefits will be necessary.2
Loomis: Ultimately we believe US fiscal transfers to consumers and businesses will prove
effective. The fiscal policies created by this administration were aimed at re-opening the economy
as fast as possible once it is safe to do so. Ideally the loan programs will allow businesses to bring
employees back to work with little time wasted once the economy re-opens. The broad lockdown
and shelter in place order are two factors specific to this downturn that are unlike anything seen in
modern history. The US government made efforts to ensure that Americans could make ends meet
without encouraging excessive consumption outside the home.
TRP: We think the small business loan program (i.e. the Payroll Protection Program) is a good
policy because it essentially combines both concepts. In order to keep the “solvency bridge” intact
we need to support both small businesses and their employees. The PPP provides loans to small
businesses that are fully forgiven if the business uses 75% of the proceeds to pay employees. It
allows businesses to stay solvent while paying their employees. We think this is a wise approach.